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    Don't Restrict Actor to One Value

    1. I often enter in film credits and come across roles such as Stunt Men that have multiple names associated with them. Since I can't change the way they are credit I just skip them when entering film credits. I thought of putting them under special performances but some aren't, some are just secondary background characters such as Daugthers of Doris with multiple names attached. My only thought is to not restrict it to a single value.

      1. Hey, Jake. I am not sure stunt men are really handled by the film performance type; they are on screen, but it’s different from an acting role. That said, for Doris’s Daughters, I would probably just enter each performance as a different Daughter of Doris (maybe even arbitrarily naming them “First Daughter” or “Daughter № 1”). It’s not perfect, but it does get across that these were discrete roles, if somewhat interchangeable.

        Do you have any other suggestions for how these sort of aggregate roles could be better handled? Non-unique performers would be one way to do it, and is worth exploring.

      2. Non-unique performers or Group performances might be a way to address it. A good example of the problem would be for a film like Kill Bill in which there was a group called The Crazy 88's. In the credits they aren't credited as Crazy 88 #1, Crazy 88 #2, etc, It just says The Crazy 88's and then 88 names. 

        I have been skipping the credits on those roles for now. It comes up enough that I figured I'd mention it. I'm trying to only enter clean data into freebase and not omit anything from the legally approved official data from the studio. 

      3. Hmm...Group Performance Role.  Interesting idea, have to think. I note that for IMDb's entry for Kill BIll the Crazy 88's are individually listed numerically (but only a few of them are listed).

      4. Another case came up that Group Performance would accomodate but may also warrant further consideration for a special performance type, and that is where twins play a single character. Very often babies are played by twins and a dual credit is provided. 

      5. Multiple people playing the same character is really a different thing (and should therefore be represented differently) than many people playing many characters who are designated by a single term, IMO. For two people playing the same character, I'd be inclined to say that this should be handled by creating two performance roles for the same character. This is how we've handled the role of Darth Vader in the first Star Wars film.

      6. It would work the same, either way you'd have 1 character(s) field associated with multiple actor fields. So whether the character is "Group of Men On Corner", or "Michelle Elizabeth Tanner" (Full House), they both need multiple actors associated with them and the character is a unique field.

        In my example Group of Men on Corner cannot be turned into Man on Corner #1, Man on Corner #2, etc because that's not how they were credited. I'm not creating or altering data, I'm simply entering it and the schema hasn't supported the data without altering or omitting it. I can't alter it without invalidating the data. That and people get credited in very specific ways for legal reasons.
         

        You bring a good point though which is the case  where a single character is represented by multiple actors and each instance of that character needs a unique instance in the database for a profile for example. Another example would be Dr. Who. In my case I haven't had any credits that posed that problem, different aged characters were usually credited as Bob, and Young Bob or Bob at 17 so unique instances always resulted. 

      7. You bring up an interesting problem in our representation of fictional characters. Because "Bob" and "Young Bob" are billed differently, it is clearly useful to enter them that way. However, this creates two different topics for what is really the same character. It would be useful to be able to link these character topics so that we can say that they are different representations of the same character.

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    Making 'part' a full topic

    1. over in the TV domain, the tv performance has 'character' as a fully fleged topic which allows tracking characters from show to show, and providing biographical information on those fictional characters

      What are the chances we could do the same with film performances? I think the Friday the 13th series is a perfect case - the part of "Jason" has been played by many actors, and that character has his own biography...

      Plus, there's possibly some overlap between tv characters and film characters (think batman, M*A*S*H, Scooby Do, etc)