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Music: Concert Hall

2008-08-28T22:54:42.0001Z

Ok, thank you

Music: Concert Hall

2008-08-28T20:54:28.0012Z

Go ahead and create a type in your own domain, then, as a prototype. We have generally eschewed types in the Commons that have no properties, but it is possible that your type will evolve. I would recommend that you include Structure and Location in your type.

Music: Concert Hall

2008-08-28T20:13:33.0012Z

I am not thinking of any new properties, I only need the list at the moment

Music: Concert Hall

2008-08-28T19:25:00.0012Z

Take a look at Micah’s draft Performance Venue type and Robert’s draft Performance venue as well. A concert hall is a kind of performance venue; what additional properties would it need that these Performance venue types don’t have?

Music: Concert Hall

2008-08-28T17:47:05.0005Z

Cris,

we need the "Concert Hall" Type and a list of concert halls, please. There are practically hundreds of them in the world

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-28T00:07:15.0000Z

Why can't we have "Songwriter" with "Songs composed"? It makes sense and we need it

Actress: Musical artist is not the profession

2008-08-27T23:08:03.0012Z

already done.

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-27T20:21:08.0012Z

Currently, Songwriter has no properties of its own. It is a convenience type which includes Composer (with “Works composed”) and Lyricist (with “Lyrics written”), as well as Person (with all its properties).

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-27T19:13:40.0012Z

Alright, I see your point. So what do we have now?

Songwriter with Songs composed and

Composer with Works composed ?

If so, then everything is fine

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-27T18:39:57.0012Z

But Billy Joel has composed classical music. So has Paul McCartney. It doesn’t make sense to shoehorn their classical compositions into a song bucket just because most of their work has been songs.

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-27T17:58:30.0005Z

I did not mean to separate the songs from the works "within" the same composer! I wanted to keep Billy Joel and Schubert separately!!

"Songs composed" = Billy

"Works composed" = Schubert

That's why we need both categories

Composer: Arranger

2008-08-27T17:51:09.0012Z

That's correct, thank you!

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-27T17:41:55.0012Z

I disagree pretty strongly. Artistic judgments, particularly judgments of quality (when does a mere song rise to the level of composition?) are so very subjective as to invite edit wars. We have the Songwriter type with which a Composer can be co-typed if appropriate. But segregating the works—are Schubert’s Lieder songs, or compositions? And what about career songwriters like Billy Joel or Paul McCartney who start writing classical compositions late in life?

Composer: Arranger

2008-08-27T17:36:16.0005Z

I just edited the Yellow River Piano Concerto. It is now credited to the arranger, but also marked as an arragnement of the Yellow River Cantata, which has its own composer.

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-27T17:31:22.0012Z

Hey, this is fantastic! The truth is we need BOTH. There are composers who only write songs, for them is it good to have the "Songs composed" property.

Others write all sorts of things and for them we need the "Works composed."

One should have the choice between the two alternatives, use the one which is needed and let the other one obscured

Composer: Arranger

2008-08-27T17:24:17.0012Z

That's true, so what do we do, for example when a composer takes a cantata and makes it into a PIANO CONCERTO?? I just had this problem with Xian Xinghai who wrote the Yellow River Cantata, which was transformed by a Chinese pianist into the Yellow River Piano Concerto! Who does take the credit for the new composition? I think the "arranger," but at the moment there is no way how we can credit HIM. You, as a pianist, should care about this...

Composer: Arranger

2008-08-27T15:04:25.0012Z

I wrestled with this for a while before deciding the other way. Sometimes it’s very clear, as Grainger’s several arrangements of his setting of “Country Gardens.” However, sometimes it’s much blurrier; the folk song “Country Gardens” existed for centuries before Grainger did his definitive scoring of it. Consider also Jimi Hendrix’s arrangement of “The Star-Spangled Banner,” Coltrane’s “My Favorite Things,” or the notion that the 1812 Overture is an arrangement of “La Marseillaise” and the Russian national anthem. The Arrangement type makes the nature of the composition clear, but the creative rôle of the arranger is hard to limit so precisely.

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-27T14:59:38.0012Z

This is a good point. I’ve renamed the “Songs composed” property to “Works composed”; it already expected the Composition type but was poorly named.

Composer: Arranger

2008-08-27T06:13:40.0018Z

Some composers are good arrangers, again, one cannot mix their arrangements with their original compositions, that is a differernt category...

Composer: Works composed

2008-08-27T06:09:38.0006Z

A composer writes MORE than songs, e.g. symphonies, tone poems, chamber music, etc. There is no way one can mix these with songs together. Can we, please, have a special property for this?

Actress: Musical artist is not the profession

2008-08-27T05:11:56.0012Z

We will manually change the professions of the /people/persons with this profession to "Actor", and then delete the profession type from this topic.

Work Out Fine [VICL-60256]: Merge with "Work Out Fine"

2008-08-22T17:49:37.0017Z

The English-named tracks on this topic are translations of the romaji tracks on the other topic. Could be an American or European release, but it's almost surely the same album.

Musical Album: Catalog Numbers

2008-08-22T14:24:18.0012Z

The Release Event is a compound value type; the label and catalog number show up as apparent properties of Musical Release. The exact structure is only an issue if using the API.

The artist can change on reissues. For example, there is a single Billy Joel-branded release of what is actually two albums by two bands that he was in before he started his solo career. Same exact recordings, but different packaging and crediting. You are right that a re-recording is a new album.

Musical Album: Catalog Numbers

2008-08-22T13:58:26.0012Z

Hi crism...

Oh my. I'd found Musical Release but didn't go that far into "Release Event"...that's definitely pretty deep to have to go to put the catalog #. :)

Part of the goal is to let obsessive fans get in there and do the work of completing the catalog. But I'll have to get creative with the queries if it's this far away from "album"...

So if I'm going to be doing that: why is Artist on both Musical Album and Musical Release? Should it be allowed to change? If the artist is not the same, then wouldn't it have to be considered a new album? (If I re-recorded Sgt. Peppers, it shouldn't be considered a release of that album, should it?)

Musical Album: Catalog Numbers

2008-08-22T12:55:51.0005Z

An album can have multiple mixes which can be released multiple times in multiple countries. If your friend is this obsessive (-: s/he needs to go all the way down to the Release Event type, which is a particular release by a manufacturer in a region of a Musical Release of a Musical Album.

Musical Album: Catalog Numbers

2008-08-21T23:59:39.0018Z

Hi there, I'm working with someone who is trying to use Freebase as a semi-official database of their catalog. But one thing that seems to be missing is a place to put an album's catalog ID from the publisher (Kind of how books have "Book Edition"... with ISBN#s)

http://www.freebase.com/discuss/threads/guid/9202a8c04000641f80000000058694f9?domain=/book

Is there any place to put this information on an album?

Claude Jeter And The Swan Silvertones: One and the same

2008-08-21T00:24:47.0017Z

Merge please, for Ben's sake.

Musical Track: Needs to have a listing on who played what.

2008-08-20T11:11:40.0012Z

aha. Wasn't initially obvious. Documentation is a bit sparse as to what some fields are ;). Thanks. ( Although, had I clicked edit i would have worked it out, .. just didn't look like what I was looking for :/ )

Musical Track: Needs to have a listing on who played what.

2008-08-18T15:09:14.0014Z

Since wbecker’s comment, the Contributions property has been added to Musical Track. Check it out.

Your Children Placate You From Premature Graves: Why I flagged the article for deletion

2008-08-17T19:00:13.0012Z

Good suggestion. Thank you!

Atomic Roses: Why I flagged this article for deletion

2008-08-17T18:54:56.0012Z

Good suggestion. Thank you.

All the King's Men: Why I flagged this article for deletion

2008-08-17T18:52:39.0012Z

Ah... that makes sense. Thanks for the advice!

Xylophone: Duplicate

2008-08-17T14:28:37.0017Z

They are of course duplicates. There is no logical reason In my mind why these 2 records should be permitted to remain separate.

Musical Track: Needs to have a listing on who played what.

2008-08-17T10:11:48.0014Z

I agree.

Also possible to have multiple instruments played by one person in one song.

So:

[Bob] on the [Marimba]

[Steve] on the [Electric Guitar]

etc. ( Of course, with provisos for optional specific guitars etc, )

Atomic Roses: Why I flagged this article for deletion

2008-08-17T03:36:59.0005Z

Thanks for noticing the duplicate topics! In this case, a merge is warranted because both topics contain keys that we want to keep. Actually, in most cases, a merge is usually a better choice.

All the King's Men: Why I flagged this article for deletion

2008-08-17T03:36:01.0005Z

Thanks for noticing the duplicate topics! In this case, a merge is warranted because both topics contain keys that we want to keep. Actually, in most cases, a merge is usually a better choice.

Your Children Placate You From Premature Graves: Why I flagged the article for deletion

2008-08-17T03:35:50.0000Z

Thanks for noticing the duplicate topics! In this case, a merge is warranted because both topics contain keys that we want to keep. Actually, in most cases, a merge is usually a better choice.

All the King's Men: Why I flagged this article for deletion

2008-08-16T23:45:35.0017Z

There is an existing duplicate article here: http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000330e9bd

Your Children Placate You From Premature Graves: Why I flagged the article for deletion

2008-08-16T22:07:18.0017Z

I flagged this article for deletion because one already exists: http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000330ef59

Atomic Roses: Why I flagged this article for deletion

2008-08-16T21:55:40.0005Z

I flagged this article for deletion because one already exists: http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000007ce0d1b

Billie Jean: Split me into two?

2008-08-12T21:14:33.0017Z

Should be split into at least a music video and a song topic. Maybe a third topic just for the classic Motown 25 performance?

Oil on Canvas: This is not an Art Medium

2008-08-06T19:24:26.0017Z

This topic is a music album, not an art medium, which has been repeatedly mis-applied to this topic. For the equivalient art media, use 1) oil paint, and 2) canvas.

Pia Fajelagutan: Any1 got pics for this page?

2008-08-01T07:07:32.0005Z

Any1 got pics from any one of their events from June?

Composition: Date Created

2008-06-25T17:11:53.0012Z

Good suggestions. I’ve made these changes over on sandbox for comment; I’ll recreate them here if folks like them.

Composition: Date Created

2008-06-25T11:09:10.0015Z

Could we have a Date Created (type Date/Time) property?

Also a First Played (type Date/Time) property would be good. Possibly extend this to a compound type including a first played (type Location) property?

Composition: Traditional compositions

2008-05-28T03:55:57.0000Z

That’s a good question, Joe. A particular recording of a traditional tune is likely a recording of an arrangement of the tune, true. But one might still want to discuss a folk song in its own right, and there is a difference between the lack of a composer assertion and the positive assertion that the tune is traditional.

I don’t know what the right answer is. Should there be a Boolean property for traditional compositions? Should we do what every other database does and create a pseudo-composer named Traditional?

Do you want to start a discussion on the Music Modeling Interest Group or possibly the data modeling mailing list?

Guitarist: Some properties

2008-05-28T00:11:55.0000Z

Brandon,

Thanks for the suggestions. I am not sure how best to model guitarists, but that’s why we have the Freebase community approach.

Go ahead and prototype a version of Guitarist in your own domain with the properties you think it needs. Then post here or in the Music Modeling Interest Group and get other people to comment on it. If people seem to like it, we can update Guitarist with your properties.

Musical Artist: Adding a founders property

2008-05-27T19:37:51.0007Z

Not a bad idea.

It’s a kind of denormalization, though; when there are dates, you can tell who was a member of the group at its earliest dates.

When we run into a denormalization issue, what usually makes the difference is the use cases. Is there something particular you want to do with founders? Is it just something that would be cool to see? How hard is it to find founders without it?

You are right that this belongs on Musical Group rather than Musical Artist, though. The dates you mention are the start and end of musical careers; it applies to individuals as well as to groups (though, unlike groups, the individuals exist before and sometimes after their careers).

Musical Group: Ex-Members Property

2008-05-27T17:12:40.0000Z

Band membership has a beginning and end date; former members should have an end date, although it's true that in many cases Freebase won't have that data. But, in my opinion, splitting the membership roster into separate properties for current and former members would cause a bigger problem for cases where we don't know a musician's status -- it forces us to arbitrarily make an assertion (current or former) when we lack the knowledge to make that assertion. At least with the current model, you can say that someone was or is in a band when you don't know the current line-up.

I think the current model will be a little clearer if we get the ability to store the notion of "current" or "present" in date fields.

Composition: Traditional compositions

2008-05-26T15:41:21.0012Z

Is there a preferred way to indicate that a piece is generally credited as "traditional" (often with an arranger credit)? It's clear that imported data sometimes perpetuates "Trad" as a composer.

I suppose using "Arrangement" and leaving "Composer" blank is the best alternative?