Poem

Poem: Poem vs. Written Work

2008-05-05T21:10:37.0007Z

No, we probably don't need the "poet" type, now that you mention it.

Poem: Poem vs. Written Work

2008-05-05T20:36:51.0007Z

Not to gang up on you, but it does bother me that the Poet type is pretty much an empty label, tagging an author as a poet. Do we need such a data-barren label? Why not just do away with it altogether?

The singular "Poetic School or Movement" property could be easily merged into a more general "Literary School or Movement" that would hang off of the Author type. That a person can be labeled as a Poet could be entered in the Profession property of the Person type, if at all.

Poem: Poem vs. Written Work

2008-05-05T19:51:06.0000Z

Thanks for the replies. Unfortuantely, I don't have too much time to deal with the intricacies of data modeling, but I do like to throw my hat in the ring now and then.

It's quite interesting, however, to dive in deeper and see some of the complexities that you're dealing with. I'll keep adding data whenever I can =)

Poem: Poem vs. Written Work

2008-05-05T18:58:16.0007Z

I'd add, to Faye's excellent explanation, that the documentation might be a bit out of synch with the current model -- we're in the middle of refactoring this domain, and I wanted to hold off redocumenting until the schema was stable. I hope to fix this soon!

With regards to the question that Faye fobbed off on me (as a domain admin, that is), the reason that "poem" doesn't link directly to "poet" is because to do so would create a denormalization -- people would have to enter the poet both in the poem type and written work type. "Written work" contains properties, including author, that are common to all kinds of written works, making it more consistent to query and enter.

What conflicts do you see between written work, published work, and poem? I've tried to make these complementary, but if I've missed something, I'd like to know so I can fix it.

Poem: Poem vs. Written Work

2008-05-02T02:00:42.0007Z

Hi Mark,

I think my reply to your other post is relevant here as well. Published Work and Written Work are included types of Poem (meaning a new poem topic you create will automatically be typed Published Work and Written Work as well), because we find that relationship to be generally true.

Authorship is a basic shared property of all Written Work: be it a Poem, Short Story, Short Non-fiction, or Review. It's not a conflicting relationship, but an inclusive relationship. The fact that there's no direct link between a Poem and a Poet is unfortunate, but I'll leave that to be answered by an admin in this domain.

The publishing domain is one of the more complex (and well thought out) domains in Freebase. I suggest taking a look at the list of help documents at the top of the domain page. They go through how to enter different types of data in detail. It may sound straight-forward, until you realize the data model allows you to input a collection of translated excerpts of non-fiction work in a periodical -- that kind of data modeling requires some complexity, which unfortunately does make the simple case a little more complex as well.

Oh, one more thing. Bear in mind that there's heavy refactoring work going on here, so what you see is not necessarily what will be.

Poem: Poem vs. Written Work

2008-05-02T01:04:58.0012Z

Poem doesn't have an author? This seems weird to me; and shouldn't it be a type of written work? There seems to be some weird conflicts between Poem, Published Work, and Written Work

Poem: Aggregate Wikipedia article on multiple poems

2007-04-18T17:18:18.0023Z

Sounds like a good project - feel free to add Poe's poems.

Poem: Aggregate Wikipedia article on multiple poems

2007-04-18T01:19:08.0012Z

For some prolific poets, Wikipedia has an aggregate "poems_by_..." page that has anchors to each of the poems. As an example, see "Poems by Edgar Allan Poe":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poems_by_Edgar_Allan_Poe

The problem is, when a Wikipedia article like the above is loaded into Freebase, no individual pages are created for the poems. So a user searching for a particular poem would fail to find the result. Is there a plan to support anchors in Wikipedia articles that denote subtopics that can map to standalone topics in Freebase?

Incidentally, this issue is not limited to poetry.

Poem: Of meters and forms

2007-03-21T17:15:39.0006Z

Good points. I've added the properties "meter" and "verse form" to poem.

Poem: Of meters and forms

2007-03-21T05:58:29.0012Z

Although free verse (I am not sure of the exact term) may break quite a few rules, an inordinately large amount of poetry still adheres to these rules/structures. It would allow HS students to finally be able to find examples of iambic pentameters in poems.