Film

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-17T17:23:51.0007Z

Thanks Bryan!

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-17T15:03:46.0007Z

It's not expected; I'll try to track down who did the update and let them know.

Film: Film production companies, distributors and other companies

2008-03-17T05:08:52.0007Z

I added these types to the production site and I reciprocated the relationships from the company types.

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-17T01:33:45.0007Z

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that the release dates would be added instead of updated. Is this expected behaviour?

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-16T04:11:38.0007Z

Hmm, looks like inital release date is not restricted to one value, and if you look at the history, it looks like mw_template_bot is adding the date instead of updating.

Another good question is, what led you to check out the topic about the movie Gridlock'd!!!

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-15T22:50:42.0005Z

Some /film/film instances have multiple values under "initial_release_date" property.

An example is Gridlock'd [ http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000086440a ]

Usually there is a full ISO format date (e.g. 1997-01-01] and a year-only date (e.g. 1997).

Is this a bug? The dates do not appear to be tied to a release in a particular country or anything like that.

Film: Multiple initial release dates?

2008-03-15T22:48:15.0012Z

Some /film/film instances have multiple values for initial_release_date property.

Example is:

Gridlock'd [ http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000086440a ]

Is this a bug? The dates do not seem tied to e.g. a release in a particular country, and generally I have noticed that there is a full ISO date and a year-only date value.

Film: Film production companies, distributors and other companies

2008-03-12T00:06:23.0007Z

Nice. I wonder if it would make sense to create the reverse properties for the production companies, film companies, and film distributors. The reverse on production companies in particular seems like it would be useful; the others perhaps somewhat less so.

Film: Film production companies, distributors and other companies

2008-03-11T22:56:38.0005Z

I added three properties to type Film on Sandbox with several supporting types that cover:

1. Production companies -- this is a simple relationship between type Film and type Production Company.

2. Distributors -- This connects type film to type Film Distributor through a Compound Relationship Type (CRT) called Film-Film distributor relationship which includes properties for the year of distribution, the film cut type (director's, special edition) and the medium of distribution (Theatrical, VHS, DVD).

3. Other film companies -- This connects film to companies other than production companies and distrubutors (which are normally accorded a special status, so therefore singled out.) Type Film here connects to "Film Company" via a CRT called "Film-Film company relationship" which includes properties for the role or service provided by that company and which film cut type it contributed to.

Note here that I'm using a couple of new naming conventions. First, I'm suggesting the use of "CRT" for Compound Relationship Type instead of CVT or Compound value Type. This distinction will become increasingly important in the upcoming months as we bake a deeper distinction between these patterns into MQL.

Second, I've named these CRTs with a new convention that describes it as a relationship between two types. For example, "Film-Film company relationship" connects the types Film and Film company.

Here's a film topic example that includes all three ne properties filled out:

http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f80000000000665b4

You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the Film section.

Please let me know what you think.

Film: Created a new type (at my significant other's bequest) for Costume Design

2007-09-25T22:31:59.0012Z

Costume Design as a trade is quite distinct from Theatrical Costume Design in areas of responsibility (gentle hint to those responsible for the Theater domain)

All to find a niche for the inestimable Edith Head.

Film: When an actor plays himself...interesting edge case

2007-08-24T23:04:22.0000Z

Actually we are looking at designs for the topic view that will hopefully make it clearer which property comes from which schema. Won't solve all the problems you mention here, but should help.

Film: When an actor plays himself...interesting edge case

2007-08-24T01:51:12.0012Z

When an actor plays himself in a film, the performance entry triggers the actor topic to be co-typed as:
- Film character
- Fictional character
- Film actor
- Person
OK, a little strange, but understandably so.

But the explosion of parallel and confusing properties that then appears on the actor's page becomes rather difficult to navigate:
- Gender, Place of Birth, Parents, Children, Siblings, Quotations, all appear twice (Person, Fictional Character)
- Married To (Fictional Character) vs. Spouse(s) (Person)
- Profession (Person) vs. Occupation (Fictional Character)
- Employment History (Person) vs. Employers (Fictional Character)

What amuses me is that the Person type has an Education property missing from Fictional Character, while Fictional Character has Powers or Abilities that we didn't give to Person. There are additional properties unique to each type.

This is an extreme case, but one problem is that it's hard to figure out which property belong to which type. Perhaps the actor himself is married with kids but plays a single version of himself on screen. And if he happens to have a brilliant line in the film (Quotation property), credit should be given to the writer as well. Perhaps a UI feature to indiate/group properties by type?

Another problem is duplicate properties (that belong to the same universe) that result from co-typing. But I guess the solution to that is at the schema level rather than any UI feature.

Film: Film List

2007-08-13T04:08:55.0000Z

Great. It would be nice to view the numbering along with the value since a movie's ranking is of value.

Film: So when is film format going to be made available for films?

2007-08-13T01:03:52.0000Z

I added a property for film format. Have fun!

Film: Film List

2007-08-12T16:12:08.0000Z

Ordered lists are possible, although the freebase UI currently doesn't show the number. See this help topic:

http://www.freebase.com/view/helptopic?id=%239202a8c04000641f8000000003c1b1cc

Once you set the ordering, they will be ordered by default in any application that uses the collections.

Film: Film List

2007-08-08T01:50:50.0004Z

I wanted list the movies to AFI's Top 100 for the last 100 years. However, I need an extension to the Film Collection type. Ideally, Film List would extend Film Collection as an enumerated collection of films with a specific order. I need to state #1 is Citizen Kane for example.

Film: So when is film format going to be made available for films?

2007-08-05T01:46:33.0007Z

Definitely for initial capture...That's what most sites that catalog movies seem to prefer.

Then later on we introduce an editions property maybe, with relevant formats for how it is viewable...35 mm film, digital (whatever formats we ever end up using, seems up in the air as you have mentioned), DVD, laserdisk, 8 mm. Then we'd get into viewing ratios :)

Film: So when is film format going to be made available for films?

2007-08-04T02:07:16.0007Z

I used it in a demo just yesterday. I guess we would have to be clear about when the film format is used -- for filming? For initial feature presentation? Also, it seems like there are a bunch of digital standards with equivalent semantics. I wonder if there is a larger blanket term that includes both video and film?

Film: So when is film format going to be made available for films?

2007-08-04T01:34:42.0004Z

I see it exists, but is not currently linked to within film...Is it meant to be a co-type to be applied when desired?

Film: A new Film property?

2007-08-04T01:19:16.0007Z

The Alan Smithee case is why I left the "note" field. If there are other consistent variables aside from cut ('director's cut', 'special edition') and film release region ('Russia', 'Asia'), then we can add that.

One I think might be appropriate is 'release date', which is distinct from the 'initial release date' that's directly on film.

Film: A new Film property?

2007-08-04T00:57:22.0007Z

Yes, a classic example of alternate running time versions is the Russian film War & Peace having different running times

Dune with it's many versions on film, tv, with/without David Lynch (Alan Smithee for the unauthorized re-edits).

Film: A new Film property?

2007-08-04T00:56:43.0007Z

I just changed the "film cut" CVT. Tell me what you think. Also -- the region property points to location, not a co-type.

Film: A new Film property?

2007-08-04T00:52:28.0016Z

The "film cut" CVT could be expanded. The note was a placeholder for things like "director's cut" or "special edition", which probably could be real topics. An additional property could optionally show the country or region (suggesting a new type 'film region' which could overlay any location.)

Does this sound reasonable?

Film: A new Film property?

2007-08-04T00:52:28.0007Z

Film: A new Film property?

2007-08-03T20:23:25.0007Z

Hmmm...Runtime has the note property, so I suppose you could add date and country for specific runtimes.

Film: A new Film property?

2007-08-03T19:39:35.0004Z

We need something like the Book Editions property for the variations in releases that can occur when movies have different running times for the various countries (quite common in the 30's through the 70's for foreign made films when they come to America they get edited down in running time) or when a movie is re-released later on with additional scenes and edits like "Close Encounters of the Third Time."

Film: Dub Actor

2007-07-27T22:47:45.0007Z

I just added a type (a CVT/mediator) that represents dubbing performances by actors for the non-original language. It appears as a property on Film now. You can enter the actor, the character and the language used.

http://www.freebase.com/view/schema?id=%2Ffilm%2Fdubbing_performance

http://www.freebase.com/view/schema?id=%2Ffilm%2Ffilm

Film: New property petition

2007-07-27T22:16:41.0007Z

Interesting idea. We do have a couple of things already that may support part of what you're looking for:

- You can add an image to the film's image gallery
- You can add web links to the film's web links. These links can be named

Why is it that you want to put them into discrete collections? Isn't the property a collection already?

Film: Dub Actor

2007-07-24T19:08:26.0011Z

So I just noticed a Japanese name in the cast for a Clint Eastwood Spaghetti Western film which puzzled me until I realized he was used to dub Clint's parts for the Japanese theatrical releases. So I have added the "Seiyu" term to 'Special Performance Type' as the vocals-only performance in Japan of Anime and dubbing of foreign titles is specialized art form unique to Japan. But for dubbing maybe the artists should be listed in its own unique property distinct from Film Performance...Dubbed by? With language sub-property as well.

Film: New property petition

2007-07-24T18:28:54.0004Z

Hi! I've just created a few types of my own, and I wonder if it could be added as a property of the Film type. The type to be added is called "File collection mediator" (I take suggestions on changing this, I don't like the name). I'll explain to you the types so you understand the idea. First you have the type "File". This type allows you to define the URL or URLs of where the file is hosted, the size, the version and a couple of things more. Then you have the "File collection" which has a description of that collection and a list of files included. So, the idea is to be able to create, for example, a collection of files with: the trailers of a movie, or with pictures of that movie, or another with wallpapers. What do you think?? Thanks!