robert

Film: Movie Subtitles

2008-07-07T23:37:16.0012Z

Hi Ian --

Subtitles would be covered by copyright protection, so you would only be allowed to add them from films from the public domain or with an open license (such as CC-BY).

Copyright law, however, does allow small fragments from copyrighted works to be cited. I don't know what the limits are, but I imagine that many short subtitle snippets would be allowed per movie, perhaps from key scenes.

Also, aside from the contents of the subtitles themselves, what kind of metadata would you imagine having for subtitles? Freebase could store that information without restrictions.

R

Film: Movie Subtitles

2008-07-07T23:35:30.0000Z

It's great that you are finding a good use of our service! Thanks!

Our goal is to provide linkages between sets of data, not really to be a repository for data in of itself...

Thus we provide an excerpt of the associated wikipedia article as a blurb (but not recreate the entire article, that's what the linkages (and keys) back to Wikipedia are for. We allow for weblinks to sites that have specific and useful information about the topic but is of a restrictive licensed nature (IMDb for example).

Our database is not set up for large amounts of text. We encourage the use of text for specific notation about a specific property but not for than about almost a thousand characters.

Secondly, legality.

Your subtitles are a form of film script and would most likely be considered as property of the creators/owner of the film. At best they would be a grey area of legality to be made available in text form outside of the film, video tape or disc.

If it was a film you wrote and owned outright, and was published with an CC license, the providing the subtitles externally from the film would most likely be legal in that case ;)

What you could do is create your own type in your own private domain (default one or a more specifically named 'Film Subtitles' domain). The type could designed to contain what subtitles in what editions of the film (Theatrical Release/DVD/TV Broadcast) in what languages...Check out how the Film Regional Release Date is designed, though it may need not be a Compound Value Type.

http://www.freebase.com/tools/schema/film/film_regional_release_date

Film: Movie Subtitles

2008-07-07T07:50:45.0012Z

Hi all,

I have been using Freebase for a little while now to index my movie collection (where film information exist in Freebase) and, eventually, upload film information back to Freebase. I have subtitles for the majority of my films and think they would make a valuable addition to the Freebase Film schema (imagine querying for who said a particular line and in which films).

How would I go about adding a Subtitles schema to Freebase and linking it to the Films/TV schema?

Alternatively, if this schema already exists, could somebody point me at it? I searched but couldn't find it.

Cheers,

Ian

Aviation: Adding structure as an included type for airports?

2008-06-25T19:37:35.0000Z

It seems to me that the Airport type itself should have opening and closing dates, since these are unrelated to the opening and closing dates of the terminals themselves (some of which are already typed as structures: http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f80000000045b2256). Adding a "Terminals" property (and corresponding "Airport Terminal" type) might be the way to go.

Aviation: Adding structure as an included type for airports?

2008-06-25T16:15:11.0005Z

While I agree that there are multiple structures that comprise an airport, I think the structure that most people are interested in and have information for is the airport terminal itself. Perhaps airport could better be expanded with properties for number of hangers, etc.

Aviation: Adding structure as an included type for airports?

2008-06-25T02:57:12.0001Z

I think an airport is really composed of structures (Terminals, hangers, etc.) infrastructure (roads, airstrips, light-rail people movers, etc.).

Maybe it should be typed as a new type, facility, of which a property could list structures. That could have many of the properties in common with structures plus some locational ones like area, containing, etc.

Aviation: Adding structure as an included type for airports?

2008-06-25T01:03:38.0007Z

+1.

Aviation: Adding structure as an included type for airports?

2008-06-24T21:19:10.0005Z

I'd like to see structure as an included type of airports - that would give us properties like open/close dates of retired airports and such. What do you think?

Spaceflight: Spacecraft-Type?

2008-06-20T19:22:07.0000Z

Late to the party, but I'm hoping someone still reads this. Could I suggest adding some types to "Spacecraft"? Ideally these would include missions flown, date built, and date destroyed/decommissioned/lost. Thanks!

Automotive: Automotive specs

2008-06-12T19:28:14.0007Z

Agreed. That's why I like layering various levels of co-typed types with few properties. It allows the model to be simple if needed and complex if wanted. Layering though requires quite a bit of coordination among the types so there are no redundancies, properties are grouped in a functional way, and type names are simple and describe the properties they hold well. At least that's how I approach it.

Automotive: Automotive specs

2008-06-12T16:45:00.0007Z

The tension here I think is balancing between a detailed model that's satisfying for the truly geeky that still is usable for someone building an application on cars for a more general audience. Although I don't think the model should be "wrong", I do think that generalization is OK, at least in this commons domain. In a user domain, it could get much more fine-grained.

Automotive: Automotive specs

2008-06-11T18:33:40.0007Z

You're right, there's a lot of confusion in naming, and we're looking at refactoring the Engine type. There's a lot of good data filled out, which we can use to distinguish between different engines... good idea to hang it off of body style rather than model year.

Automotive: Automotive specs

2008-06-07T00:19:35.0012Z

I started a discussion on In-line 4-Cylinder but haven't received any responses yet so I figured I would cross post here:

I added a duplicate topic that engine only because the other one would not allow me to add size, horse power and torque through the Automotive domain's Model Year type. See 2008 Honda Fit.

Also, do all Honda In-line 4-Cylider engine's have the same specs? I don't think so. I notice that some engines are generic while others are linked to a model name while others are linked to a some other description of a group of cars. It is very inconsistent. I think the Automotive domain's Engine type needs refactoring.

For motorcycles, I linked engine type to the model year and linked the performance and specs to body style. Usually the same models have the same engine but the body styles might have different variations on the engine.

Already I'm thinking of anomolies such as Dodge body styles with Hemi engines... Anyway, I don't think the current automotive engine model works well. I was all set to enter a bunch of specs (e.g., redline, compression ratio, valve train, carb emissions rating, ...) and I couldn't even get started. There are plenty of other automobile descriptions that are pretty standard among model year body styles in any product literature. That would be a great place to start.

Examples: 2008 Honda Fit, 2007 Ford F-150, 2007 Toyota Prius, ...

Bicycle Model Year: Color available

2008-06-04T16:35:58.0012Z

Hi Jerritt --

Amazing work so far on your schema and data.

I wanted to point out that you may want your "Colors available" property to point at a "bicycle color" type rather than a text literal. This will make your data much more easily searchable and it will force convergence during data input.

Right now you have literal values like "yellow/white/yellow fade" which combine multiple colors together. These would be particularly hard to query.

The automobile model year "exterior color" property is a good example of how to model this:

http://www.freebase.com/tools/schema/automotive/model_year

Time: Chronon and time

2008-06-04T06:24:33.0007Z

Oops, there is Time Interval, but it is in the measurement units domain, not the time domain.

Time: Chronon and time

2008-06-04T06:21:26.0001Z

According to wikipedia, chronon is not an interval, but a quantum, and as you say you have a set of chronons there, but the set itself isnt a chronon.

Anyway, that is besides my point. The thing with freebase is ease-of-use, and I don't think this teminology helps at all.

What I am missing though is an time interval type? Iow, a tuple of start and end date/time.

Spaceflight: refactoring

2008-05-22T21:30:42.0007Z

Heh. I am admin in this group so I can move them myself if people approve. Maybe over weekend.

Anyone else wants to enter some data? FOr now I am slowly typing data from here:

http://www.k204.ru/books/Aviadvigatel.pdf

as owner of astronautix.com unfortunately is not willing to share his data. Well, he probably has reasons.

Music modeling: Classical works

2008-05-22T19:53:02.0007Z

This is an interesting start, simonhill.

The Opera domain was done as its own project; the Opera type should probably be refactored to include Composition (and similarly Opera Composer should include Composer.

Some technical notes on your types:

The catalog abbreviation and opus number should be text (or even machine-readable strings), not Topics; making D (the topic about the fourth letter of the English alphabet) the abbreviation for Schubert’s catalog is a bit strange, likewise for the number 1.
The expected types for other properties could also be adjusted; the “composer” property should expect Composer, “musicologist” should expect Person, or ideally, a new Musicologist type.
I would also have your composition include the Composition from the Music domain to make it easier to see what properties are already present and which need to be added. Is a discrete “title” really needed, in addition to the name of the topic?

Thanks for getting this started.

Automotive: Automotive listed under products and special interest

2008-05-22T17:58:04.0000Z

I think this may be the only cross-listed domain. I could remove it from special interest, which is an odd grab-bag domain category anyway.

Spaceflight: refactoring

2008-05-22T17:54:56.0000Z

Sounds like you need some help from the data architecture group. Are these the only 4 types you'd like moved?

Music modeling: Classical works

2008-05-21T08:10:43.0005Z

I have a lot of classical music data (composers and their works, with opus numbers and catlog numbers etc.) which I'd be happy to load up.

However, I note that there are some issues around the schema in this area; e.g. there separate entities for composition and opera. (Surely, this can't be correct - an opera is a type of composition), there is no provision for opus numbers, catolog numbers etc.

Is anyone working in this area? Anyone have any recommendations for a good, practical way forward?

Spaceflight: refactoring

2008-05-18T21:52:50.0000Z

I like rocket enngine, rocket stage, rocket famliy, and rocket engine family. Unless we here something surprising from NASA, I think we should put these into the Spaceflight domain.

Spaceflight: refactoring

2008-05-18T16:08:18.0000Z

Great! Will do. We are waiting to hear back from some people at NASA who have been developing metadata schema so we can try to incorporate those too. After several forwarded emails we last heard that "NASA has done quite a lot of work in this area", but my primary contact is traveling for a couple weeks so we don't yet know what that work was.

Spaceflight: refactoring

2008-05-18T02:20:31.0000Z

Danny, pls look at some my space related types in http://freebase.com/view/user/hedgehog/default_domain

robert: test

2008-05-13T22:33:39.0012Z

Data Mob Projects

Shopping Centers

There are two way to approach this. The first is to load in a heap of shopping centres from...
My Hero

Who's your hero? Whether it's Winston Churchill or Wonder Woman, look it up in Freebase then...
Shhhhh! The library data mob.

One of the newest domains in the Freebase Commons is Library. Is your local public library...

Automotive: Automotive listed under products and special interest

2008-05-02T18:02:39.0014Z

maybe you already know this

Spaceflight: refactoring

2008-04-21T19:10:29.0012Z

Spaceflight needs some refactoring in light of what we have learned about data modeling since this early experiment. In hope of getting some help on this, I would like to ask spatialed to join as an admin and help fix satellite as discussed.

Now is a good time to speak up if you are depending on something no being changed.

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-17T17:44:40.0007Z

definitely interesting data. i endorse the simple model. putting the onus on the developer to deduce some obvious questions seems reasonable:

Did trackA originate from the same session as trackB (by the same artist)? If the location is the same and the date is close (say to the month) then True

Seems easy enough.

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-17T06:11:03.0007Z

I understand now, Robert. That is kind of the crux of the question; we could be more pedantic and expicitly model masters and/or recording sessions which underlie tracks. That would be a more robust and thorough model, but it would also complicate actual use. Al’s opinion is that the track level is sufficient for now, and as he is more likely to use this than I am, I am inclined to go with that, as we can always garden out an implicit session from a track later on.

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-17T05:57:39.0007Z

I'm sorry. I asked my question badly. If you are attaching recording-session specific data to a track, would the track be the "definitive" version of that recording, or would there be other instances of tracks that represent that same recording? In other words, would people be able to find the session data if there are many representations of the recording?

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-16T01:00:32.0007Z

A Musical Track should be a bit of recorded sound expicitly instantiated somewhere, whether it’s in a file, on a disc, or on a tape. Some tracks will come from single recording sessions, others will be mixed from multiple sessions, and sample-based tracks might not ever have been really “recorded” at all, at least not by the credited artist.

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-15T23:45:19.0007Z

How abstract is "track" now? That is, how often will there be tracks in freebase that are copies of a specific recording session?

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-15T21:09:43.0007Z

This works for me.

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-15T02:15:02.0000Z

I have modeled these on sandbox. I hedged; the two properties do not use a CVT and have singular names, but they are non-unique. If there is significant user confusion or demand for more complex models, we can always promote the existing values to use a CVT.

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-15T00:37:11.0000Z

This sounds like fun data to me. Good cocktail party discussion. How about using "Place of recording" because this might differ from where it was engineered or mastered. The location property could be added as a CVT with date and permitted to hold multiple entries for instances when multiple takes are included on a single track (an option that probably won't be used that much).

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-14T19:33:20.0007Z

I think date and location are good properties for tracks in general; I don't have a strong opinion about the depth of the model, though.

Music modeling: Date and place of recording tracks

2008-04-14T18:48:16.0000Z

Getting finer grained than track seems like overkill. I'd be happy with Place and Date on Track. How about on Album too? Most albums are recorded in the same place, and most live albums are recorded at the same time.

Spaceflight: Spacecraft-Type?

2007-09-06T01:07:31.0000Z

Done. Let me know what properties you think would make sense. I think this might overlap a bit with satellite, or it could be that spacecraft are a disjoint set. What do people think?

Spaceflight: Spacecraft-Type?

2007-09-01T20:34:47.0005Z

I suggest you add the type "Spacecraft".

Time: Chronon and time

2007-09-01T17:13:39.0012Z

My first post on freebase so I don't want to screw it up.

A chronon is an atomic time interval so it would be nice to have the ability to build time constructions based on chronons. For example, the sequence “March 12, 2002; March 13, 2002; March 14, 2002” is a contiguous
subsequence of chronons in a timeline. Contiguous sequences of chronons can be grouped into larger units
called granules, such as weeks, months, years, or decades.

I think the concept of chronon and granule should be part of the time type.

robert: Loved D/Generation Game - Thanks Robert!

2007-07-23T01:54:32.0007Z

I never actually saw the Amiga version. I have a hilarious cracking story for the Commodore 64 version of Karateka -- I spent about a week putting in really nasty protections that probably bought me 3 weeks of additional protection. I am glad that we've entered the era of openness. Glad we're both here doing this now.

robert: Loved D/Generation Game - Thanks Robert!

2007-07-20T17:49:47.0011Z

I used to play D/Generation on the Amiga 500 I think and also PC version ? Never got past level 16, damn droids! I wonder if Danny ever got that far ? hahaha. I was part of the Cracking Group for it as well, back in the day. (I did buy a personal copy, however!) My how times change for us, eh ? Here we are building Freebase together...

robert: Software: Protocol

2007-06-28T17:20:56.0007Z

I believe he's talking about /computer/software
http://www.freebase.com/view/schema?id=%2Fcomputer%2Fsoftware

I looked at it and I am not sure what the purpose of both the protocol fields in that type is. I can sort of understand that a large number of software applications (except purely desktop applications with no auto-update like feature) do communicate with external applications and machines in some way, however in a lot of cases IMO its not quite proper to categorize non-communications software with communications software.

robert: Software: Protocol

2007-06-28T17:05:39.0007Z

Mike -- I'm not sure which types you're talking about.

robert: Software: Protocol

2007-06-28T12:53:48.0012Z

robert,

Could you please fix software category and remove protocol from general software? It looks like communication software should be used for this.

robert: Thanks

2007-05-29T06:13:49.0006Z

We have the 'edit my own discussion' feature request in the queue.

robert: Thanks

2007-05-28T19:02:12.0006Z

Of course, I mean to say "mind", not "mine". Where's the edit button?

robert: Thanks

2007-05-28T19:01:28.0011Z

Thanks for the welcome Robert. It's good to know there is some efforts for community fostering taking place. Let the warped mine convention commence! Cheers :-).

robert: Scientific Classification infobox load

2007-05-10T11:56:29.0006Z

Thanks Robert and Jg, I'm so very pleased to here this. I definitely understand that adding this data is not a trivial matter and appreciate all the hard work you guys are doing.

I'll keep a lookout for the new items and brush up on my MQL skills.

robert: Scientific Classification infobox load

2007-05-10T05:01:27.0008Z

Frank,
Yes, we plan to type 300,000+ items including all the wikipedia plants soon.
There is some debate about whether to start with ITIS or NIH Taxo etc.
It will be resolved in 1-2 weeks and the data should be available then.